[PINITI]

just a silly thought, but suppose there was a way to fabricate the exsisting ram air capabilities of both the "power duct" unit that the stillen utilizes, and the "air collector" behind the upper part of the grille that the JWT set up uses, and combine both of these to direct ram air flow to the area at the filter end of the new Injen set up - while at the same time fabing (slang) a shield to block engine heat.....just a thought!

 

[MustGoFastR]

just a silly thought, but it'll make a great lead into page 4 of this upcoming event. suppose there was a way to fabricate the exsisting ram air capabilities of both the "power duct" unit that the stillen utilizes, and the "air collector" behind the upper part of the grille that the JWT set up uses, and combine both of these to direct ram air flow to the area at the filter end of the new Injen set up - while at the same time fabing (slang) a shield to block engine heat.....just a thought!

It's been done. That would be the $600+ Groupe M intake (for the 350Z). you can look it up on My350Z and I'm pretty sure that, given it's design, you could put it in the FX no problem. Very expensive; lots of pretty carbon fiber, though.

 

[PINITI]

could you please help me with this Group M intake at my350z site.

 

[MustGoFastR]

could you please help me with this Group M intake at my350z site.

Do you one better; you don't have to register for anything here:
http://www.i-m-racing.com/grcafiin35.html

 

[PINITI]

i see where you are at, all i want to do is use the exsistig pieces already on the car like the power duct and air scoup behind the grille and funnel that air toward the filter of the Injen CAI

 

[MustGoFastR]

Since we were getting into more detail, I split this off into it's own thread.

Our stock plastci scoop n the middle is vey imila in design to the Grouppe M piece. that could be moved to the large lower grill opening and ducted to wherever you want via flexible ducting ala the Grouppe M design. All this would so is provide extra fresh air to the filter area (not a bad thing, but not ram air). Where the Grouppe M has the edge is that the unit is sealed behind the scoop, so all of the air going in is forced into the filter, making it a true ram air design. Without being able to fabricate a sealed enclosure for the Injen filter, I don't see how you could replicate this.

 

[PINITI]

with the new Injen CAI , instead of the second piece angleing down in front of the fender well to catch colder air ,they could of angled it directly into the power duct and scoop behind the grille set up to receive more of that collected forced air ...again, just thinking out loud. / would anyone else care to comment?

 

[MustGoFastR]

You can do that by setting the Injen up in short ram mode. This simply eliminated the second tube and places the filter in the area of the power duct and scoop, but without an enclosure, you're sucking more hot under-hood air. At this point, the Stillen would be a better choice, given it's formed shroud. Based on the Dyno that Injen provided of the intake in full CAI mode, though, they're making more power (2-3 HP) than the Stillen, so they must be doing something right. I've never seen a dyno for the Grouppe M, but I think it'd be pretty hard to exceed 9 RWHP with just an intake.

 

[PINITI]

i dislike it when you make sense like that! after the full Injen is in place , see if there is a way to also route the air from those 2 factory areas down toward the filter, aka black dryer tubing, etc. ??

 

[MustGoFastR]

i dislike it when you make sense like that!

Sometimes I scare even myself. :roll:

I'll take a look. That should be pretty easy to do, actually. I think it'd be even better to move the long scoop down to the lower grill opening and pipe fresh, "forced" air over from there; it'd make for a cleaner appearance as well. The "Power Duct" is eliminated along with the stock airbox in the Injen set-up, so without anything there to mount to, options are limited. Air will still flow in there, though, and hopefully keep all that much more hot engine air from making it's way to the filter area.

 

[PINITI]

hey must, what about that scoop idea you had in the post above?

 

[TEX35B16]

I just finished reinstalling the top duct that goes along the top of radiator. Used 4 inch dryer tubing and duct tape to seal off the top end. ran the tubing over the top of the Injen long pipe and down on top of the filter. It's not a very large opening that is funneled down" maybe 16 inches long by 1 inch of so. I ghave the MAF out and on the kitchen table. Do I squirt the cleanrer into the hole or on the connector contacts, or all over it??? :?:

 

[MustGoFastR]

That's what he's looking to do, but from the stock location. If it proves to do anything and the ducting can be routed to the area well enough, we could try to move it down at a later point. At the lower grill location, water could be an issue, however and precautions would have to be taken (likely just a duct routing issue to keep it from directly hitting the filter).

The main thing is to try and figure out why we aren't seeing any gains in performance in the stock Injen configuration and go from there. This mod, if it actually does anything, should only improve upon the gains, not facilitate what should be there to begin with. InjenTech didn't say anything about having to route extra air to the intake to get the gains they showed.

 

[TEX35B16]

I'm starting to lose track of where to communicate regarding this issue. Ive piped it and run it a few times no difference. I am now drying the MAF sensor after saturating it with Radio shack Precision electronics cleaner. Safe on most plastics, leaves no residue. Here goes on the contents-dipropylene glycol monomethyl ether, hydrotreated heavy naphtha, dipropylene glycol methyl ether acetate and carbon dioxide.
After I reinstall it; I'll take it back out for some stomping.