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Stillen:



''11/26/2003 - The newly released STILLEN Stage 2 Intercooled Supercharger for the 350Z and G35 Coupe reaches another milestone. Already the first and only 350Z / G35 forced induction kit that can offer an extended engine warranty, it is now the first and only 50 state legal forced induction kit for these cars. (C.A.R.B. Exemption Order #D-436-10.)

STILLEN receiving certification on this comprehensive supercharger system is no accident. More then 13 months of careful design and testing work have produced a unit that is not only powerful, but reliable and satisfying in all driving situations. The STILLEN Supercharger System adds more than 83 hp and 72 lb/ft. of torque raising the bar from [stock] 287 hp and 274 lb/ft. to 370 hp and 346 lb/ft. respectively. These gains are even more impressive when the power and torque curves are considered. One of the reasons STILLEN chose the Eaton based twin screw configuration is that torque and power gains start just off idle and continue to redline. On the street or the track centrifugal blowers and turbo systems just don't [can't] keep up.

STILLEN has been successful in accomplishing the goals of the 350Z / G35 supercharger project. These were:


Offer Long-Lasting Reliable Power
Produce Power throughout the entire RPM range
Design a Supercharger that is reliable enough to offer a 3yr/36,000 Engine Warranty
Develop a Supercharger System that would meet increasingly stringent C.A.R.B. requirements.

Before you purchase a Supercharger System for your 350Z or G35 Coupe, make sure the unit you are considering offers you the peace of mind that STILLEN delivers. Make certain that the warranty you are offered doesn't just cover the blower itself. Ask these questions, then call us.

For more information on the STILLEN Intercooled Supercharger for the Nissan/Infiniti 350Z & G35 Coupe or any other STILLEN accessory, check this site or call Toll Free 800-711-0310. "
 

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Procharger:



'The new H.O. Intercooled ProCharger system for Nissan 350Z’s produces a 55-60% horsepower gain (with a conservative 7 psi of boost) on stock motors running pump gas, with the ability to support even higher power levels. This supercharger system is a 100% complete bolt-on, and delivers the coolest charge air temperatures available, for maximum engine longevity as well as power. Standard equipment includes a highly effective air-to-air intercooler system and the self-contained, gear-driven C-2 ProCharger model, with 3-year supercharger warranty. Installation is very straightforward, with no accessory relocation, and can be completed in approximately 8-10 hours. A tuner kit for modified applications is also available.

The C-2 ProCharger for the 350Z features ATI’s patented self-contained oiling technology, which delivers cooler operating temperatures and eliminates the need to punch a hole in the oil pan. The C-2 also features a patented progressively linked compound bearing system, which maintains reliability even with the higher boost and power levels possible with intercooling. Due to the positive impact of intercooling upon both performance and engine longevity, only intercooled ProCharger systems are being offered for the 350Z.

Similar systems are also now available for the Infiniti G35 Coupe and FX35 sport utility. These new products join ATI ProCharger’s existing sport compact line of intercooled supercharger systems for the Honda Civic Si 1.6L, Acura Integra 1.8L, and Ford Focus, as well as a Universal Sport Compact Kit for other applications.'
 

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PRODRIVE:



'Prodrive Performance Pack–Stage 3, FX-35

PPPFXR003
Prodrive’s Stage 3 Performance Pack for the FX-35 (FX-R) includes a twin-intercooled supercharger which increases flywheel horsepower from 280 whp to 350 whp, a high-flow exhaust system, and an upgraded engine control unit (ECU) reflash. The Prodrive Performance Pack for the FX-35 will be available for delivery mid-year 2004.
MSRP: TBA'
 

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wow--

i like em both...........


i have had the vortech s trim blower on my 5.0, and loved it... (wound up running 12lbs of boost!!, at the end)

i hope a v8 system is in the works (leaning towards the eaton variety myself)


any prices yet??

will the dealer install??
 

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DREAM WORKES:


Front view showing dual auxiliary injectors and front mounted throttle body.

View showing full length intake runners, high volume fuel rails and the intercooler housings.


View from the rear. Showing drive belt and adjustable tension pulley.

"Dream Workes Racing LLC. NYC

Dream Workes Racing of New York Delivers Super High Performance with Superchargers and Turbochargers for Nissan / Infiniti applications in a Dealer warrantable Package for all 50 States.

In all 3.5L applications Dream Workes SST Systems utilize an Eaton 90 Roots Type Supercharger with a power output of approximately 400 hp at the crankshaft.
Other benefits of our products are dual water to air intercoolers, dual auxiliary injectors, stainless steel braded fuel hoses, high volume fuel rails, full length intake runners, off throttle bypass and a user friendly ECU upgrade. There are no hood or body modifications needed and construction is of lightweight cast aluminum.
All Dream Workes SST systems have a 3 year / 36,000 mile power-train warranty serviceable through authorized Dream Workes or Nissan / Infiniti dealers and are 50 state emissions legal with standard boost.
Boost Capabilities up to 12 PSI are available with approximately 600 hp with internal engine modifications. "
 

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So far I'm leaning towards Dream Workes. No hood modifications and it's a Eaton Roots type (more low end torque). It also boasts a powertrain warrantee AND they are fairly close to where I live. We'll see.
 

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I remember reading somewhere or hearing somewhere that on the Stillen supercharger, they had to cut the hood or fabricate a new hood for the 35oz because the way that it is mounted prevented them from using the factory one. I don't know if I'd want some "power buldge" hood on my FX though. The numbers look promising and the CARB exemption is also a big plus.
 

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Vortech


"Supercharging Systems

The Vortech supercharging system for the 2003 Nissan 350Z will impress you with the obvious attention to detail and fully integrated appearance. Increase your horsepower from 287 to 412 and torque from 274 to 355 ft/lbs at 8 psig*. For a list of components included in this system click here. For more on Vortech supercharging systems click here.

P/N 4NZ218-010SQ Satin System
P/N 4NZ218-018SQ Polished System
Supercharging System with V-2 SQ SC-Trim for 2003 Nissan 350Z**


Quality Features
Vortech gear driven supercharger with SQ technology provides nearly silent operation and unmatched reliability
Technologically advanced, high-efficiency impeller and housing design developed in Vortech's supercharger test cell
Fuel management upgrade includes a high-flow fuel pump and fuel management unit for safe, reliable operation
Stand-alone ignition timing control computer for seamless acceleration
Integrated charge cooler configuration allows for additional horsepower gains
Oil feed and oil drain assemblies deliver the best possible lubrication and cooling for the supercharger, even under sustained boost conditions
Discharge duct connections utilize heat resistant silicon sleeves and premium quality stainless steel clamps
High-flow, reusable air filter
Billet aluminum mounting bracketry
Maxflow Race bypass valve provides surge-free compressor operation
Supercharger drive system includes all necessary belts and pulleys
Compatible with factory OBD II engine management systems and 3-year limited warranty "



 

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GREDDY TWIN TURBO




"All GReddy Turbo exclusively use GReddy Spec. Mitsubishi Turbochargers. Our kits are design and tested to match the best-sized turbo per application. This means you get good response, smooth driveability, performance that can still be upgraded, and lasting reliability. It takes a tremendous amount of money and time to successfully increase the power of a naturally aspirated engine. With GReddy bolt-on turbocharger kits, you can obtain instant horsepower gains with less time and money, while still having room for upgrading.

Part Number: 11520093
Model: 350Z 2003 - On
Desc: TD05H-18G twin
Notes: 2x cast-iron manifolds, 2x ext. Type T wastegates, e-manage & 4x 440cc inj., 2x Airinx AY-SB, piping & necessary hardware
Price: $6495
Type: external wastegates

Performace as Tested by DynoJet (Dynamic Autosports) & Motor Trend Magazine

Stock 350Z GReddy 350Z

Horsepower: 280hp / 244.4whp 370hp / 334.2whp
Torque: 238.5 ft-lbs 339.2 ft-lbs
1/4 Mile 14.02 @ 101.89mph 12.79 @ 106.53mph
0-60 mph 5.72 sec. 4.61 sec.
60-0 braking 121 ft 117 ft
600ft Slalom 66.4 mph 69.7 mph

GReddy : 350Z Twin Turbo Kit (w/ 2x TD05H-18Gs, 2x Type T wastegates, 2x Cast-iron manifolds, 2x Airinx AY-SB, preprogram e-manage, 6x 440cc injectors, aluminum piping, & necessary hardward) Type 23 Front-mounted Intercooler Kit, Evoltuion Evo2 full dual exhasut, PRofec e-01, Remote Switching System, Full Auto Timer, Oil Filler Cap, Hi Pressure Radiator Cap, GRacer Front-Lip Spoiler, Side Skirts, Rear Under Spoiler, GREX/Alcon 6pot Brake Kit"
 

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vdo_game_junkie said:
I remember reading somewhere or hearing somewhere that on the Stillen supercharger, they had to cut the hood or fabricate a new hood for the 35oz because the way that it is mounted prevented them from using the factory one. I don't know if I'd want some "power buldge" hood on my FX though. The numbers look promising and the CARB exemption is also a big plus.
Yes that is true. Otherwise, I'd be all over that Stillen kit.
 

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Keep in mind that unless you are prepared to do some custom fabrication/fitment and do your own custom fuel management, the only kits that will drop right into an FX are the ATI and Dream Workes. Others may eventually fall in line, but I am leaning toward the Draem Workes. I contacted Stillen long ago and they had no plans of making their kit compatible with the FX (though it was only a matter of the fuel management programing). As for the clearance issue, it may fit under the hood ok; the FX has a lot more clearance than the Z or G.
 

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Keep in mind that unless you are prepared to do some custom fabrication/fitment and do your own custom fuel management, the only kits that will drop right into an FX are the ATI and Dream Workes. Others may eventually fall in line, but I am leaning toward the Draem Workes. I contacted Stillen long ago and they had no plans of making their kit compatible with the FX (though it was only a matter of the fuel management programing). As for the clearance issue, it may fit under the hood ok; the FX has a lot more clearance than the Z or G.
you mean you wouldnt change the ignition or fuel mapping with these two?? i would think starvation would be eminant, if above 3lbs of boost...

how can the oem system handles these??

knowledge needed......
 

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No, I mean that ATI and Dream Workes have FX specific kits, the others don't. The ATI uses a mechanical fuel management setup, that can be tuned using a wideband 02 meter and a dyno and comes with the correct piping/mounting hardware specific to the installation of their kit in an FX (the intercooler mounts completely differently and in a different location than in the G and Z). The Dream Workes is still forthcoming, but they have stated from the get-go that they will have an FX-ready kit. I believe they will be using electronic fuel management via a piggyback ECM and auxilliary injectors, similar to Stillen's method. Electronic fuel management is preferred (and employed by the other makers), but must be programmed to synch up properly with that vehicle's A/F maps and so forth. In short, you can't just buy the Vortec kit and slap the piggyback FMU made for the 350Z in your FX.
 

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Do you think the Stillen kit would fit under the FX hood w/o modding it?

Shouldnt a kit made for the G35 AT be the same for the FX35? Same motor, same HP/TQ curves, same gear ratios.... Considering how much room we have in our engine bay (compared to the Z & Gs), the IC mounting modifications should be a relatively easy task.

In any case, I think ALL kits, vehicle specific or not, need to be properly tuned anyway and need to get all the necessary safeguards (FMU/ECM) tuned specific to your car, not just the FX in general.
 

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so how much are the dreamworks and ati gonna go for you think?
The ATI kit is currently available for around $5200 and is an intercooled centrifrugal supercharger (better at the top end and more suited for certain sports cars, IMHO). Final pricing on the Dream Workes hasn'r been announced, but is rumored to be around 6k; it is a twin air to water intercooled roots-type blower (more immediate full boost and more low end punch; more suited for the FX, IMHO).
 

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Do you think the Stillen kit would fit under the FX hood w/o modding it?
I'm just guessing, but I think it might. It would deffinitely be close.

Shouldnt a kit made for the G35 AT be the same for the FX35? Same motor, same HP/TQ curves, same gear ratios.... Considering how much room we have in our engine bay (compared to the Z & Gs), the IC mounting modifications should be a relatively easy task.
I would have though so as well, but when I talked to Stillen, they wouldn't confirm this. They likely just don't want to say either way, since they haven't actually tried it. If everything is the same as the auto G35 coupe, I realy don't see why it wouldn't work, but if it isn't endorsed by Stillen for that application, you can toss the warranty out the window. You also have to get their intercooler separately, which blows the CARB certification. The Dream Workes comes with everything plus warranty and CARB certification.

In any case, I think ALL kits, vehicle specific or not, need to be properly tuned anyway and need to get all the necessary safeguards (FMU/ECM) tuned specific to your car, not just the FX in general.
Agreed.
 

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hey MustGo-



if they ALL were available, and, cost was NO option...........



what'd be the choice, and why???


(pencil and notepad is ready here........)

SMS

ps-former vortech S trim blower owner here.... monsterous 12lbs of boost, without ever a problem.........
 

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hey MustGo-



if they ALL were available, and, cost was NO option...........



what'd be the choice, and why???


(pencil and notepad is ready here........)

SMS

ps-former vortech S trim blower owner here.... monsterous 12lbs of boost, without ever a problem.........
Well, believe it or not, I've never done FI before, so all of my opinions are based on what I've read on other forums (mainly My350Z.com) and my own research. That said, if cost were not an option, it'd be hard not to go with one of the TT kits (as for which one, that would take more research, but probably Greddy to keep it simple). At the same time, the FX, no matter how fun, is no true sports car, so I don't think I'd take it to that level which is why I've mainly been following the S/C kits. I'd also want to stay in the 350-400RWHP range (which the S/C kits are doing); anything more and you'd have to get into the internals and probably the tranny to handle the power and you'd likely be looking at a reduced engine life. Again, I'd only ever consider that on a weekend toy.

Among the superchargers, there are two types: centrifrugal (ATI, Vortec) and Roots-type (Stillen, Pro-drive, Dream Workes Racing). I've discussed at length on one of the FA threads the differences, advantages/disadvantages of the two types, so feel free to search for it there, but basically, I feel the Roots-type is better suited o the FX due to the car's weight and the extra low end punch you get with a Roots-type blower over a centrifrugal one. Roots blowers do run hotter so an intercooler is a must, but they also produce max power with less boost than a centrifrugal blower (have yet to figure that one out). Roots-type also tend to be very reliable; most, if not all OEM S/Cs are root-type.

So, we've narrowed it down to a roots-type supercharger, but which one? Of the curent offerings and the currently available information, I ould go with the Dream Workes Racing rig. Both the DW and Pro-drive feature twin air-to-water intercoolers (the stillen's is air-to-air, bought separately and not as of yet included in the CARB certification), and the DW setup will fit with no hood modifications (the P-D requires their funky hood and the Stillen is iffy as to whether or not it will fit).

The best thing we have going for us is fanatical, mod-crazy 350Z owners. They're all over everything as soon as someone even thinks about it and scrutinize every detail before the think is even produced. They are also the first to jump in head first to try this stuff out and give a no holds barred review and detail any and all shortcomings/problems. In short, they are the perfect guinea pigs. I lurk My350Z.com often to keep up with things and will base (and have already) any decisions about mods upon what I learn there. After all, if the mod can stand up to what some of those crazy f*ckers do, it ought to be good enough for us.

Oh, one final note: I ouldn't even think about going FI without upgrading at least the brakes and probably the suspension. The upcoming offerings from Pro-Drive look like they would fit the bill nicely. Again, looking at this with a cost is no object perspective. Realistically, I'll likely just stick with what I'v got and maybe add headers and a custom ECM flash to optimize it all and save up for a weekend toy to really go nuts on.
 

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Dream workes SC kit is definitely the most promising. With their additional drivetrain warrantee and the fact that they're in NY is icing on the cake for me. :)
 
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